Travis ([info]kyuuketsukirui) wrote,
2009-08-30 19:22:00
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Avoid this survey!

There is a fandom survey going around, which you will recognise by the huge banner people are posting for it. DO NOT TAKE IT.

You can read comments here for how problematic it is, and their mission statement is here, which I am kicking myself for not reading before taking the survey.

Their mission is to prove hardwired gender differences. How on earth is that possible? Fandom is mostly women! How are they going to get enough men to make such a comparison? And their questions are so loaded and full of assumptions and some of them have no answers that don't force you to choose what they want you to choose, that either you have to skip the question (which I didn't even know was a choice) or lie in order to proceed!

It's a badly-designed survey. It's a heavily-biased survey. Even if you agree with their mission statement, you shouldn't take the survey because it's a piece of shit survey. Any survey that requires you to lie to proceed is a bad survey (and since there is nothing that says you can skip a question and still proceed, many people will indeed lie in order to be able to move on).

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[info]ohmiya_sg

August 31 2009, 03:40:08 UTC 2 years ago Edited:  August 31 2009, 03:45:33 UTC

I haven't even opened the survey to look at the questions, but judging by the few I've seen on their LJ and the responses they've been getting...is it bad that I already think they're asshats? :x

On the other hand, I'm loving how many comments they're getting that are telling them how unscientific this whole thing is. :Dv

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 04:16:07 UTC 2 years ago

Before I took the survey, all I saw was the banners about it and so I just clicked not knowing any better. :-/

[info]ohmiya_sg

August 31 2009, 04:20:55 UTC 2 years ago

I took it just so I could see all the questions and give them the faulty data they may not have been looking for. Well. Not that I lied...but I wanted to leave feedback. :D

[info]mrs260

August 31 2009, 04:02:36 UTC 2 years ago

Question 41, about how one researches male physiology for slash purposes, seems to assume that the survey taker is not a man. (No "my own body/sexual experiences" type answer.)

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 04:15:18 UTC 2 years ago

I know! Or even for women, how about personal experience from having sex with men? It's not that different, seriously.

[info]schmevil

August 31 2009, 04:18:13 UTC 2 years ago

This. It's not like women don't explore That Territory with their male lovers. The prostate: a gay no woman's land, (where ladies fear to tread).

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 04:29:26 UTC 2 years ago

I wasn't even sure if they were talking just about anal sex or about all sex men could have with other men. Either way, it always comes back to dude, it's not so different. Also not all men even have penises and prostates and all that junk. SO THERE. :p

[info]schmevil

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[info]sholio

August 31 2009, 05:49:05 UTC 2 years ago Edited:  August 31 2009, 05:50:08 UTC

I'd say "yes and no", though, because I have gay male friends who laugh their heads off at unrealistic sex scenes in slash written by women.

I'm not disagreeing with your basic point -- that m/m sex is not some magically different sort of thing; that quite a few writers of m/m *are* men, and even women can use what they already know in writing an m/m sex scene -- all good points! But I do think research is a good idea for female-bodied writers writing sex from a male-bodied POV, even if "research" is just finding a guy friend and asking him :D. I mean, I've had plenty of vanilla sex, but if I were writing BDSM I'd feel the need to research the hell out of it even though in that case the parts are all the same as in the sex I'm used to having.

(And I know this is quite OT to the original post. *slinks away*)

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 05:55:05 UTC 2 years ago

Gay porn written by and for gay men is often equally unrealistic and ridiculous. I generally assume when I read (or watch) unrealistic porn that it's unrealistic because the people who made it don't care and in fact get off on the unrealistic aspects.

I mean, to take it to a really extreme example, if I go to 4chan or something and browse through drawings of girls whose nipples are like penises, I don't honestly think that the guys who drew those pictures think that's what nipples are like. But they get off on dick nipples.

Porn is not always realistic. In fact, it's probably rarely realistic. It really bothers me that when such unrealistic porn is written by women, it's assumed to be because they're too stupid to know better.

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[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 05:57:12 UTC 2 years ago

Though if you have no grasp of human anatomy and want to write realistic sex, then sure, research. But a person without a penis who has sex with a person with a penis can observe how it works. They don't need to research it on the internet.

[info]nixwilliams

August 31 2009, 04:36:44 UTC 2 years ago

i know! this is fun.. i'm just scrolling though it without answering, occasionally writing "i am a banana" and other inane statements in the text boxes. I LOVE TROLLING.

[info]ohmiya_sg

August 31 2009, 04:40:41 UTC 2 years ago

My spoon is too big! :D?

[info]nixwilliams

August 31 2009, 05:12:03 UTC 2 years ago

DANCE! EVERYBODY DANCE!

[info]nixwilliams

August 31 2009, 06:10:25 UTC 2 years ago

i had to go and find that again - last time i looked for it it had disappeared from the intert00bz in a huff. but lo! it is once again on youtube! in all its anus-bleeding glory!

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[info]nixwilliams

August 31 2009, 04:25:23 UTC 2 years ago

omg, wow! how badly prepared does that sound? VERY.

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 04:27:30 UTC 2 years ago

It is bad, so very bad. And apparently they're planning to write a book with the results??? D: It was bad enough when I thought it was for a research paper or something, but a survey this badly designed it for a book? Gah!

[info]phaetonschariot

August 31 2009, 06:50:27 UTC 2 years ago

hahahahahahahha. I'm having way too much fun merrily tromping through their comments section.

[info]schmevil

August 31 2009, 10:46:32 UTC 2 years ago

I read through all the questions. Once again I feel like I'm in an invisible part of fandom. Even if I wanted to fill it out, I'd have trouble with a lot of the questions.

Which fic (one assumes erotic) would I most like to act out? LOLWUT?

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 10:49:22 UTC 2 years ago

Yeah, I found that question bizarre.

I had a lot of trouble with the survey just from the assumptions in the questions and the fact that so many of them had no applicable answer for me, so I was annoyed at it just from a "gah, this is badly designed!" standpoint. But then learning more about why they made the survey, blech.

[info]schmevil

August 31 2009, 11:03:20 UTC 2 years ago

Yes, this. But what troubles me is that iirc they've said that the questions were formed with help from slash fans. It's coming from inside the house!

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 11:08:32 UTC 2 years ago

One person on my flist said they helped beta some of the questions, but that while some wording was changed, some suggestions for changes were ignored.

[info]ella_bane

August 31 2009, 14:33:25 UTC 2 years ago

I read through some of the discussion, and the writer of the poll wrote this in response to a question regarding wordcount and story length: To be honest, I didn't realize that fanfiction included novels and novellas.

Huh?

[info]annlarimer

August 31 2009, 14:56:21 UTC 2 years ago

o_O

You're kidding me. No, I know you're not, but you're kidding me.

[info]kyuuketsukirui

August 31 2009, 19:24:04 UTC 2 years ago

Yeah, that was like...wtf? You'd think they could spend two seconds doing some research before writing up their survey.

[info]elfwreck

September 1 2009, 04:47:37 UTC 2 years ago

This pos, and the matching one at DW, have been included in a linkspam roundup.
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